The interview of Donald "DC" Carpenter, lead singer of Eye Empire, came via the flow, through the trusting and listening to the inner guidance that is "the knowing" in life. Asking for him to be a part of the follow-up blog to Songs are Stories was outside of my typical mode of operation. I've never interviewed anyone for it. However, not doing so would of been an injustice to the process that is "inspired thought." Having the opportunity to enter into a personal conversation with someone I knew of but had not met yet was an exercise in expansion.
What would come by trusting the same would be so incredibly moving. It got me thinking, aren't all "acting on inspired thoughts" moments an exercise in expansion? Hello....we don't get to the best fruit in life unless we're willing to climb to the higher limbs and reach out for the same. The risk of reaching is what always leads to the reward.
The forty minutes of humble answers to some tough questions were worth it. I could not of asked for a more meaningful interview for our Knowing community. It is my hope that when you're done reading this, that you'll take with you even a sliver of what I did walking off of that rig. It is my hope that you'll know you're not alone, and that others out there "get it" like we do and are passing it forward to make a difference. Enjoy this conversation with DC and when you're done, go out and make your own Impact on the people in your world.
It is
evident in your band's Facebook posts that a sincere desire to positively
influence others has birthed itself onto the rock n' roll stage, utilizing the
platform you have with your fans. You stated on the band's biography page that, "For me, it is something I feel is needed in
the overall picture. Three Simple words that say so much: Embrace Love Not Hate & Judgment. Respect Everyone no Matter Race, Creed or Preference and Support Each Other by Being Present & Active. If you
are at an Eye Empire Show, then we are all there for the same reason." I first saw the Beyond The Music hash tag last year in November, at about the same time you posted a video opening up and inviting in others to be inspired. You shared it on your band's Facebook page and that in turn lead to Songs are Stories being written here. That gesture opened a door wherein your fans could reach out to each other and to you for love, respect
and support. You were home at the time from the road and working to implement a connection with everyone to be informed of the writing process of the upcoming record. What manifested that into your life at that point DC, do you
remember what was going on? DC: I don't know, I guess it's part of a natural evolutionary process that takes hold at a certain point in the journey. For this band, and for me as a front man, I'm kind of a philosopher. I'm the one that has to come out and go beyond the music at the shows, to embrace the communication factor.
Over the years as we evolved through our previous bands, through our experiences, you go through these different phases. You go from being overly aggressive to being compassionate and then kind of being sheltered and walled in and shut down. I think you get to this point. My experience coming into this band early on and seeing what we were able to create with our fans, and then getting through a year and a half of touring, is something. When we took that break we were already at a place where we were deep into the rigors of touring. We were coming out here and seeing what works and what really moves people and what we can do as a band. When I got home, it gave me time to reflect on that and evolve through that initial touring experience.
I went up to Atlanta to record for the second record, flying up the day that Newtown happened. We spent the next three days like everybody else, following all of the news stories and at the same time trying to record this record. It became this very reflective experience where I started to think and came to this realization that "that young man could of been an Eye Empire fan." I realized that a lot of people look to bands when they're struggling or their searching, or when they really don't have a lot to lean on. In the same sense we're a band that goes out and looks for those types of people because we want to comfort them, we want to bring them a reliability. I felt like it was time for me to tear down some of those walls, and just opened up myself a little more with being a little bit more hands on about trying to take a proactive approach and making an impact on people's lives.
DC: That's just one thing that's been an opportunity that's been afforded to us early on. Right now, it's really hard to have a singular focus or a certain soap box. It's really a juggle right now for us. When you tear down those walls and take upon more responsibility, there are just so many issues that start to come out. As soon as I opened up that door, there were cancer struggle issues or people in financial situations right now in these tough times. You roll that in with the war scenario and the revolution that's going on, there are just so many aspects that are key and dear and right now it's a juggle. It's about trying to find a balance in how we do that. It's also a time sensitive thing. We have to grow to a certain point before we can really start addressing some of these things and take it a little further.
DC: I don't know, it's a tough question. It's one of those things where you're in the midst of this struggle. We're kind of like the guys from Alive (the movie) where you get stuck out in this survival situation. It's an interesting question; it really does make me reflect. Right now, it's just really great to be around people that have a lot of respect and appreciation for what everybody does.
There's a lot of arrogance and ego when you go into these scenarios a lot of times and very quickly certain resentments can build up. There are these different underlying issues that you're dealing with, wherein you're walking on eggshells where you don't have the ability to really communicate and effectively evolve and communicate together as a group. It's always difficult but with this band it's different. I'm not saying it's any easier, we've had some crazy times out here where it got a little difficult but we've been able to push through those moments and become stronger--that's unique in itself. A lot of times bands don't make it this far; sometimes in bands it falls apart long before it ends. Many of these bands will spend years just bitter, not even talking to each other until they're on stage. Music always brings us back together at the end of the day no matter how tough it has been. It's a pretty beautiful thing.
DC: That's what funny, they think that technology has made it easier but it doesn't. It's another one of those fallacies of the age we live in. Nothing substitutes being there, being a part of your children's lives and of your family's life, especially when you're the supporter. It's something that our families have been a part of this since the beginning. It's something that we made a commitment together from the beginning to stick it out. I think more than anything that's what keeps it together is knowing that we involve them and they're inclusive in this entire process. It helps you to go through the struggle.
It reminds me of the military, of the family and friends who have to go overseas or on assignment and of those who travel for a living in general. It's a hard burden to bear. It's a sacrifice and because of their support you're able to do what you do.
Yes, everyone is in it together. That's exactly how those military families are. Those wives at home are just as supportive as the buddies on the battlefield.
It's good to hear that you have this circle of support and commitment, not many bands out here have that gift. Speaking of love and support, how does this circle pour into your creation of music? We can hear it in songs such as the acoustic "I Don't Wanna Leave" on YouTube.
DC: It's always there. It just so happens that during this writing session that I was writing my own tunes, writing my own reflective tracks. I reached out to Corey and said I had a song about my family, that it's about my love for them, it's a love song. In the same sense, as I was writing it, it became about our musical family. I started envisioning at the end of the night having that song playing.
You start to realize being out here that it's not just a rock show for a lot of people. Sometimes it's their birthday, somebody's anniversary, or their first rock show ever. We hear these stories every night and at the end of those nights, even if it's a first date, you get that sense where you just don't want it to end. It's been such a good evening, you're having such a good time, and you just look at each other in the eyes and "I don't want to leave, I don't want this moment to end" and that's something that we get caught up in often leaving our families. They say absence makes the heart grow fonder and we're always reminded of how special our relationships are a little more frequently than others.
Mike Adam, who recently passed to cancer, Leanna Kossack, who
passed in January to cancer, Silas's cancer story that swept the nation,
as well as the happy news for baby Nash Luker who's now in remission, there are just a few of the lives you've supported and touched within the Eye Empire community. What are you taking forward in life from
their lives and that involvement? Have you had a chance to reflect on it? Honestly, it's been overwhelming in my opinion. So many beautiful people and their loving supportive friends and families were involved.
DC: It's a deflection thing, I never really like to interject myself as anything into it other than a facilitator to what's natural to begin with. This should be a natural process. There are no instigators. It's just something that should be, just a community of people who care about each other, who are just willing to take five to ten minutes just to leave some insightful kind words.
A lot of us love to turn a blind eye, and like to act like we cannot empathize or be compassionate, or we think that we have to of experienced it ourselves in order to console this person. I just don't think that's true. There's a basic understanding that we all need. We all need to be consoled, we need to be loved, we need to be empowered and we need to be encouraged, supported and acknowledged. Everyone is at different points in their journey. For me, if I take anything away from it, it's enlightenment, it's getting closer to our true selves.
I can see what the impact has been upon you with the brotherhood and
sisterhood on the journey. As you say, the revolution of what's to come. There's a lot of information out there to filter through.
DC: It's very hard out here to try and maintain a sense of enlightenment, that's for sure. You have to try to generate as much positivity as you can. Coming out here every night, being able to talk to soldiers that are in attendance, I've had some crazy moments with these stories that have come out of folks about what the music does for them. That really keeps you going.
What lessons about life are you most compelled to share with the Eye Empire community? As a vocalist you're often the mouthpiece of the band. Others are represented in interviews and connect with the fans but more often than not you're the connection to the Eye Empire community.
DC: I know with my previous band's experiences, I always thought it was a little restricting not to ever really show what you truly were, say politically or spiritually. All these things to me that matter more than anything, there was always this political incorrectness that was attached to it, that if you ever went there it was career suicide or it would create this mayhem that was unwanted. I wanted to try and find a way with this band to incorporate a little more who we really are, how we view the world, and what we bring into it.
There are some enlightenment things in there, some spirituality things in there, and some political things in there that we touch on, but I'm trying to do it in a way to where it's respectful, not overbearing and not too one sided. Really, we should just be communicating and discussing and no one should have a certain stance one way or another. The discussion should be open. I think it's going to be an evolutionary process over time where I think we're going to be able to push those issues a little more as the Empire grows, as a society we start to awaken a little more and we're a little more willing to have these conversations. Hopefully we'll position ourselves to be one of those bands to be right in the middle of the discussion.
Yes, everyone is in it together. That's exactly how those military families are. Those wives at home are just as supportive as the buddies on the battlefield.
DC: It's always there. It just so happens that during this writing session that I was writing my own tunes, writing my own reflective tracks. I reached out to Corey and said I had a song about my family, that it's about my love for them, it's a love song. In the same sense, as I was writing it, it became about our musical family. I started envisioning at the end of the night having that song playing.
You start to realize being out here that it's not just a rock show for a lot of people. Sometimes it's their birthday, somebody's anniversary, or their first rock show ever. We hear these stories every night and at the end of those nights, even if it's a first date, you get that sense where you just don't want it to end. It's been such a good evening, you're having such a good time, and you just look at each other in the eyes and "I don't want to leave, I don't want this moment to end" and that's something that we get caught up in often leaving our families. They say absence makes the heart grow fonder and we're always reminded of how special our relationships are a little more frequently than others.
DC: It's a deflection thing, I never really like to interject myself as anything into it other than a facilitator to what's natural to begin with. This should be a natural process. There are no instigators. It's just something that should be, just a community of people who care about each other, who are just willing to take five to ten minutes just to leave some insightful kind words.
A lot of us love to turn a blind eye, and like to act like we cannot empathize or be compassionate, or we think that we have to of experienced it ourselves in order to console this person. I just don't think that's true. There's a basic understanding that we all need. We all need to be consoled, we need to be loved, we need to be empowered and we need to be encouraged, supported and acknowledged. Everyone is at different points in their journey. For me, if I take anything away from it, it's enlightenment, it's getting closer to our true selves.
DC: It's very hard out here to try and maintain a sense of enlightenment, that's for sure. You have to try to generate as much positivity as you can. Coming out here every night, being able to talk to soldiers that are in attendance, I've had some crazy moments with these stories that have come out of folks about what the music does for them. That really keeps you going.
What lessons about life are you most compelled to share with the Eye Empire community? As a vocalist you're often the mouthpiece of the band. Others are represented in interviews and connect with the fans but more often than not you're the connection to the Eye Empire community.
DC: I know with my previous band's experiences, I always thought it was a little restricting not to ever really show what you truly were, say politically or spiritually. All these things to me that matter more than anything, there was always this political incorrectness that was attached to it, that if you ever went there it was career suicide or it would create this mayhem that was unwanted. I wanted to try and find a way with this band to incorporate a little more who we really are, how we view the world, and what we bring into it.
There are some enlightenment things in there, some spirituality things in there, and some political things in there that we touch on, but I'm trying to do it in a way to where it's respectful, not overbearing and not too one sided. Really, we should just be communicating and discussing and no one should have a certain stance one way or another. The discussion should be open. I think it's going to be an evolutionary process over time where I think we're going to be able to push those issues a little more as the Empire grows, as a society we start to awaken a little more and we're a little more willing to have these conversations. Hopefully we'll position ourselves to be one of those bands to be right in the middle of the discussion.
DC: It's one of those things where you're supposed to just be an example. You don't really come out and say I have all of the answers. You just show by doing, you are the example. You can't say this is how you do it. Everyone is going to have their own way and their own personality with which they do things.
It's a tough question. I don't like to say here's the answer or we have the answer or even come to us for advice. We try to put ourselves into a position where we have a lot to learn. That's the main thing, to just be humble. Always know that you have a lot to learn and be willing to take the lead from a lot of these guys out here who might be trying to set an example. For us, we've learned how broken the local music scene is. We just want to be encouraging these guys to be making music in general and hopefully they'll grow and have another opportunity to come out and play again.
During your downtime you decompress with movies, ball games, visiting friends, that kind of thing. Do you read on the road? Does anyone else read on the road? If so, what are you currently enjoying?
DC: We read different things, I read different stuff. There's a lot of blogs online, a lot of good stuff online. Nietzsche was the last guy that I was really reading. I've got some stuff in my bunk right now. He's gotten a little heavy for me right now with my enlightenment thing so I had to put him to rest until I discover a little more. Most of the time, we're pretty well consumed with what we're planning next in our Eye Empire world.
DC: I practice meditation and I do yoga every day. Health in general, I think a healthy body is a healthy mind. It's really hard if you're out here and you're putting a bunch of chemicals in your body, and you're drinking a bunch of alcohol all of the time and partying it up, it's hard to keep your sanity out here. You can see how people can lose touch with themselves. You hit the nail on the head, every night it gets brought back to perspective, it really is that music. I have really bad days out here. You just get out there and you see these folks who bring you into their world. There may only be 15 people out there but you understand that even if just one person needs it out there, you just have got to go out there and give it. It brings you back to reality.
As you wrap up this tour in the next week, week and a half.....(DC: 9 days). Nine days, the final countdown to home. You're turning your attention to finalizing your next album, to putting out the material you recorded. In that you're continuing to build this from the ground up I suspect you'll be touring again soon. This time next year, what's the vision for Eye Empire?
DC: Yes, it's a never ending cycle. We have our strategy down. Now we have our numbers, we have a long progression, period of time that we can judge, where we can say this works, this doesn't work, what's our strategy going forward as far as touring. We're leaning more towards supporting. We finally earned enough credibility to where we can start to garner some of these larger tour numbers. It's what really helps a band grow early on. That's key, that was a key step to get to.
Obviously, another key step is new music. Something we can start from scratch and say this is the one and only version of this album, with this set up to it, with everything being proper and aligned with each other. That's something that's already being put together right now. Once we finish in the next nine days it's going to be at least two weeks of nothing. Corey is going to spend a couple of days getting the studio set up and that's when we're going to go in and finish the last 30, no 10%, well I say 120% is what's put into a record so yea, we'll go in and put that other 30% in and get it done. August 17th should be our first show back out. Then we will have some shows tying us into Seether and Ten Year's run from August into September. Then we just got added to that The Aftershock Festival in Sacramento.
Wow, awesome. That will be wonderful. That's some serious exposure right there. That's huge.
Yea, one of the biggest ones of the year. We had a couple, we had some really good festivals this year. We missed being at the main day for Carolina Rebellion, and we didn't get in on the one in Ohio, Rock on the Range. Hopefully next year we'll be able to get there. Bit by bit, it just takes time.
Then there's that buzz to get you onto ShipRocked.
Yea, everybody's buzzing. That's bittersweet. Everyone wants us to do that one but I'm not a fan of being on a boat in the middle of the ocean, I'm just not. I don't know if anyone is keeping up with it but the track record right now is not the best. It's interesting. There's a lot of interesting things out there as far as opportunities. It's hard to get people out to live shows. They really are having to adjust their priorities right now. Putting a nice big package together to get folks out is pretty interesting.
DC: I think it's awesome. I think everyone is going to be really happy with it. Obviously you want people to be excited. Our main goal is that we don't want anyone having any expectations. We just want them to be up for the journey and be willing to grow and change with us.
So, with that in mind, we did have to push the boundaries a little bit, to bring some different sounds in. For me vocally, what voices did I not explore, what voices are possible to explore? We messed with that. In the same sense, we listened to what people were telling us when we're out here on the road. What they miss from the first record, what they enjoyed about our previous bands that they might like. I know one for me was the falsettos that I used in Hollow back in Submersed. I would love to hear that a little more. I tried to keep that in mind when I went back and incorporated some of these vocals.
Lyrically, everything is deeper. I feel there is a lot of room to grow there. I'm not the best lyricist in the world. A lot of the people that I look up to are very inspiring right now. Cornell and all these guys out here that are amazing writers, they're putting out new records, like they used to when I first started out. I'm actually inspired by music that's going out there, it's inspirational all around.
Most importantly, I was able to tell some stories that are going to cut deep. There's some stories for the soldiers on this record. There are some personal pain stories from my life that I have the guts to tell now. As I hear them played back, I can just realize how deeply they are going to affect somebody else. That just makes me fall in love with the process even more. There's this snowball effect that never really ends. It's the flower of life, it's eternally blossoming.
DC: Yea, it's funny, because that's my dream, to be able to take my family with me. I would never need a home, if I could just take my family with me. I could tour forever. I would never have a problem with it. I always plan; I'm thinking of "where do I want to go back to," just like you said.
For me, it's more beauty and nature. It's our dream to have our own farm and have our own ranch, to be self-sustainable. I always look for these areas that are of that nature. Up around Wisconsin, around Madison and all these organic areas, they're amazing; it's an amazing part of the country. I tell you, Missoula, Montana was a place we ended up. It's just a place in this valley out in the Northern part of the Rocky Mountains. I grew up going to Colorado as a kid; it is just one of those magical places that I always swore I'd end my life (living) in Colorado. I ended up in Missoula, Montana and it's just the blend of everything that I like. It has taken it even a little further then Colorado did. I think I would probably pick that spot. I would love to go up there and maybe even get some land up there and start my farm; but it is Montana and it gets hammered with snow in the wintertime. The only time I'd ever really heard of Missoula was by looking at the minus 42 on the map, when it's freezing in the wintertime.
DC: For us, we personally see a flaw in the system. How we raise our children in the sense of schooling, of educating. Not just in the sense of teaching them math, but in also teaching them about the world, their fellow human beings in the Universe, in the spiritual universe. A lot of times we leave that up to a religious structure, that's guided by a single voice. Or, we leave that up to an educational structure that's regimented and subjugated. For us, we wanted to create more of a world that was about growing as a spiritual being and not being regimented. Really evolving and finding what makes you special as a spirit and a being and how you can contribute to the world around you. That's something that we're working with our kids as beings.
It's really not something you can put into a how to list; you can't make people do things. It's a personal thing, it's a personal journey, it's a personal sense of enlightenment. People are going to learn, they're going to go through their own path regardless. So, I think it's pretty fundamental, that it's pretty basic, and it's blatant and it's right in front of your face what's going on. We, just through living our life, we try to educate by being an example rather than trying to cover the bullet points. It's "hey, come be a part of our lives and be inspired, these are the things that matter to us and we think it makes the world a better place and our lives happier lives."
At Knowing, we talk often about our intuition, our ideas, our trust and sometimes we just have to act on things in life. We'll get an inspired thought and we have to act on it--if we don't, we don't get the effect of it. Is there anything real significant that you can think of, a story you're willing to share from your life? Maybe something that over the years you've looked back on and reflected and said I'm glad I did that because it lead to?
DC: I've had to make a lot of tough decisions based on mistakes in my life. My record is far from perfect that is for sure. It's funny; it's really funny, because the new Superman movie, it's very inspiring to me. I found it to be a very spiritual movie. There's a part in it where Superman is questioning who do I help, do I help my Krypton brothers or do I help the earth beings. He doesn't know which one to trust and his dad just gave him advice, "sometimes the trust comes later." You have to take that leap of faith first and the trust comes after the leap. It was funny because it made me think about back before Eye Empire came along.
In my life, I'd gone through this humbling period. Coming out of the first band, which was going to be the last band I was ever going to be in, I was so sure, I was so certain of the future, I really had reevaluate my life and I went through a very humbling period. I was working for the Lightning and working 80 hours a week and getting paid 40 of them. It was affecting our family. That's when I just made a leap and started working for $1,000 a month at a fish house cutting fish three days a week fourteen hours a day just so that I could be with my family, simplify my life. If that's the way it was going to be, I just wanted to be happy. I knew that would allow me a little more time to open myself up to the Universe and possibly bring in another opportunity in my life to make music again. It wasn't three months after I did that that Corey randomly reached out to me on MySpace, this is before Facebook, and it's been non-stop pedal to the medal ever since. My life has completely changed.
It's been one little epiphany. More in the last year it's been that spiritual enlightenment; that journey that's taken me even further into the world of manifesting your own dreams and your own realities. The way you worded it, it makes me laugh because it's another example of, it's just the Universe affirming once again, and it's with clear word for word verbatim. This isn't anything getting distorted, manipulated or something that I want to see. It's very blatant how the Universe works, especially once you're awake. When you can see it happening it's almost overloading, watching it happen.
The irony is that we're so detached from our natural being that we don't even know what it is to experience our natural being. When it happens, or when you speak of it, it feels right. You sense it. I sit down and talk to my kids about it, just as in depth and deep as Deepak Chopra and they get it. They feel it. My son will sit there and talk to me about the light and all these things. They're here to save us all.
It's a pretty cool thing; I do see the power of music. I do see and understand about frequency and how it brings us all, how it all comes together. Whenever you are in tune with that, whenever your power of intention becomes greater, when you go out there at the end of the night and you combine that with frequency and music, it's a little overwhelming and you do see it make an impact. It affects people's lives. It's a special thing.
You've overcome challenges on this journey. I think the process of facing the challenges you have, is your tenacity to stick to it, and to stay positive, I think that's a good legacy going forward. And as you've said, your humbleness and being open helps as well. Learning from your mistakes going forward, it's all relevant. As for where you are in gratitude, your gratitude roll call if you will, I know that's a part of your life. It's a part of everyone's life out here that's a part of this, to keep your mindfulness and sanity on the road. Tell me DC, what are you grateful for?
DC: Family, definitely family. Family is what keeps me doing this and at the same time causes me to resent myself for doing this. I just want to be there with them more. A calling, like a reason, I'm very grateful to understand or have a feeling of why I'm here. To me that runs deep and it helps with a lot of different things in my life. I am blessed with certain people that have really supported me through a lot of struggle.
I'm a bi-polar personality, so it took me a long time number one, to live with that illness affecting every facet of my life for so long before I learned about it. Then I had to live with it, and you grow through that. There are certain people who have come and gone along the way but there are those few folks who have always stayed with me. It's really not possessions or anything like that, it's more those relationships, those people that grow with me, that help me as a spiritual being through life. That's what I'm more grateful for than anything. That goes for my band, and for some of the extended family that sacrifice with us out here. You develop some pretty special folks out here.
DC: We're at a turning point right now. You either know it or you just choose to ignore it. Know what I'm saying? That goes spiritually, and holistically with mother earth, politically, there's just so many things that are at a tipping point right now. Like I said, we're trying to slowly evolve with our fan base, to be able to push these types of things that we know we need to stand behind.
With specificity of this blog, the main point is that we're here to inspire enlightenment. We're here to try and inspire a change in this world to where people can come together and realize that we are all one consciousness. There is no separation. When we go out here every night and as I look into people's eyes, I'm seeing my own reflection and once we really start to understand that, we can come together beyond the music. Then, that's when we're going to really start seeing real change. We're going to start seeing these "miracles" that we never knew were possible, this manifestation that we were talking about, we'll start to see it start to make a real difference. For us, it's like I said, we've got to take our time, we've got to grow a little bit, we just can't come out and pull people along. You've got to be that example. That's what we're trying to do, to at least set that tone for a real revolution.
Thank you. Thank you for opening up to everybody.
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**Special thanks to Six Seasons Photography for taking photos of the show that night after the interview. From our preschool days to adult life and parenthood, Amanda, owner and head photographer, she has always been there in my life. I've long used her photography for this blog too so to ask her to take on this event was no different. She definitely made me proud with the moments she captured. Additional images of the concert that night are at her Facebook page.
I have followed this band for about 3 years now and I have seen them several times as well,and all I can say is that these young men have so much talent and personalility it is truly unbelievable!!! I have also had the honors to have a drink with them after a show in charollete And speak with them as well.All of them are very nice, hulourious and real special in lots of ways!! I can relate to all their songs and know That this band will go very far ad be on top sooner then they think! They are real and have heart and will be blessed in the music business.good music and great guys. See them next time they are local!!!!
ReplyDeleteBetsy, thank you for sharing your love of Eye Empire. I too believe that they will reap what they sow in life. Lets keep helping them to build the Empire. #LRS
DeleteGreat Job! It's awesome interview and awesome to see another Mason Grad doing it big!
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